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Should We or Should We Not, See Wally In Season 3?/Is Wally Really Dead?

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Should We or Should We Not, See Wally In Season 3?/Is Wally Really Dead?

  • Thailog
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    20:48, November 14, 2016



    This topic is probably beaten to death but hell, let’s beat the dead horse!

    So to start with, let’s debate if Wally is really dead.

    Well considering the show has never showed any on screen death that I am aware of, and kind of stays away from death in general its strange for them to kill a hero, but then again, young justice is a kids show with mature themes. Plus Wally is no doubt a fan favorite, but at the same time his death undoubtedly does many things for the rest of the cast.

    Another point is that In flash comic books, it is not unheard of for a character to dissipate into the speedforce and manifest themselves later. Then again, Young Justice is not the most truthful to source material, but that doesn't mean it can’t draw from it.

    So really there is a 50% chance he may be alive in the speedforce or dead.


    So assuming he's not dead and just trapped in the speedforce, should we see him or should we not see him in season 3?


    My reasoning behind why we shouldn't:

    If they wanted to make Wally's death change the cast, and his revival of sorts surprise the audience, there is one way to do this, and it can be done with one or two seasons.

    Idealistically, if you were to do this to any character, you build their character up to be loved by the audience (Season 1) Then you would kill them or have them sacrifice themselves as a last result (Season 2). Then leave them dead for a while, probably for all of Season 3, and then bring them back for the season after (Season 4).

    Now given Young Justice has only one season, and we don't know if this will be the last season to end all future story telling or a revival to bring the possibility of more storytelling, there is a way they can still institute this idealistic way of things.

    So if we do, it should be reserved for like a mid-season finale, no?

    What are your personal thoughts on this whole matter of Wally and Season 3?

    NOTE: Just so there isn't a misunderstanding, Nothing has been confirmed for Season 3 rather than Season 3 itself at the moment.

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    • THE SPEED FORCE DOES NOT EXIST IN YJ.

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    • Um, One major flaw with that statement, the speedforce is what gives Wally and The Flash, and even Bart Allen their powers. It's been used since the dawn of the comics, so it has to exist.

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    • Sigh.

      Several flaws with that.

      1. Whatever happened in the comics is not necessarily true for YJ.
      2. The Speed Force has not been used "since the dawn of the comics". It first appeared in 1994 in The Flash (Vol 2) #91.
      3. Greg Weisman has said, repeatedly, that he does not like the concept of the Speed Force and does not think speedsters would need to derive their powers from an external force, much like strong people don't need the "Strength Force". As such, he does not use it for YJ.
      4. For the particularly uptight responses that, to be part of the Multiverse, the Speed Force would have to exist on Earth-16, Greg offered a rationale along the lines of "if the Speed Force has to exist on Earth-16, noone has ever heard of it and noone knows whether or not it's the source of the Flash' power." This is purely to please the tightly assed, and effectively still means "no Speed Force in my stories".
      5. There have been other Flashes without Speed Force. Namely, all of them before 1994, and the current Earth 2 Jay Garrick.
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    • The only exception I have ever found to be a speedster without the speed force is indeed Earth-2 Jay Garrick. Saying how he is not in this conversation I find him unrelevant, though I get your point.

      Regardless of what the creator has said, their speed powers must come from somewhere (like how Jay Garrick got his from a god [Mercury]), and the general idea of Wally still being absorbed into something still applies even if its not the "speed force"

      I understand what happens in the comic is not necessarily true for YJ, but you cant deny the fact that it is the source material and they do draw from it on some extent. Not saying they have to follow them to an exact letter though.

      Your are right though, the speed force has not been used since the dawn, I meant the dawn of more modern comics, but my phone cuts out words some times, my bad (auto-correct is my enemy), sorry.

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    • The speed powers come from the chemicals and the lightning. It's comic books. That stuff always happens.

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    • What if Wally came back...

      But as Reverse Flash or Professor Zoom?

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    • Okay, I could see the Reverse Flash bit, but Professor Zoom is kind of a stretch

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    • I just love the idea of Wally coming back, but as a villain.

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    • That would definitely be a major twist

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    • Imagine something along the lines of Bucky Barnes as The Winter Soldier or Jay Garrick (Hunter Zolomon) as Zoom in The Flash S2.

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    • So, something that has been done already?

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    • ClockworkFirefly wrote:
      Imagine something along the lines of Bucky Barnes as The Winter Soldier or Jay Garrick (Hunter Zolomon) as Zoom in The Flash S2.

      No, not like that, both of those are bad guys turned good (in the flash they later show you the real Jay Garrick)

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    • I know, It's just that Zolomon masqueraded as a friend and ally to Team Flash and it came as a surprise to them that he turned on them. 

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    • oh, yeah that could be done, but I feel like they've kind of used atributes from that type of scenario with aqualad and Red Arrow.

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    • Just to repeat what has been said elsewhere: Greg and Brandon can not look at fan ideas for legal reasons. They occasionally check this wiki, so anything you suggest (and the more you say it) can't be used on the show. So don't pain your brain on convoluted plotlines or ideas.

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    • Tupka217 wrote:
      Just to repeat what has been said elsewhere: Greg and Brandon can not look at fan ideas for legal reasons. They occasionally check this wiki, so anything you suggest (and the more you say it) can't be used on the show. So don't pain your brain on convoluted plotlines or ideas.

      Really? Oh wow, Didn't know that.

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    • This entire discussion has become an masqueraded idea. I'm closing it.

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