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  • Hydor211
    Batman Under the Red Hood
    Hydor211

    I just watched the movie you recommened. It was so sad but still beautiful. The violence really added to the emotion of the story so it was not unnecessary.

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    • Starling starwing
      Starling starwing

      I know. I hear it was directed by Brandon Vietti.

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      *Rass barges into conversation*

      That final scene, "This is the best day of my life." I die every time I watch it. One of my favorites of the Warner Premiere line. Have you guys seen any others?

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    • Starling starwing
      Starling starwing

      I watched crisis on 2 earths and JL doom. They had some epic moments (especially 2 earths for that Batman vs Owlman fight) but neither quite compare to under the red hood. I also dug up some other DC movies but for some reason when I tried to watch Batman superman public enemies it won't let me see the rest of the movie past the part where they fight Metallo. It's frustrating when I can't watch complete movies/episodes. Worse than not being able to find the english Dub of anime you know is available in english. Oh and Rass, I wish you'd stay on the IRC long enough for me to notice you're there. :(

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      Crisis and Doom are two of my favorites, I think I just like all the action (especially that Owlman/Batman fight scene)! Also, Phil Bourassa's character designs are excellent in Crisis. Apparently there is going to be another Justice League film, Justice League: Flashpoint, which sounds promising.

      The Superman/Batman movies are pretty fun too. Not excellent story telling, but Apocalypse is another of my favorite DC movies.

      Just wondering, how do you watch the films? There are - ways - that you can watch them without them stopping.

      Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and list the Premiere movies in order of which I think are best;

      1. Batman: Year One: absolutely fantastic, I highly recommend it. It's fun watching it and seeing how much Nolan took from the comics for The Dark Knight trilogy.
      2. Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths: was the first I saw, and is so much fun. Another fantastic movie.
      3. Justice League: The New Frontier: is so good, I feel with some tweaking it could make a good live-action film. It's so unique, in that it's set post-Vietnam War. It's like a mix of The Incredibles and Watchmen. Brilliant.
      4. Superman VS The Elite: is the most recent film, and poses some really interesting questions. I really don't like Superman in general, but I thoroughly enjoyed this.
      5. Justice League: Doom: the reason I love this is because it feels like someone's taken three episodes of the old Justice League series and edited it into movie format. Animation a bit botchy, but movie is excellent nonetheless.
      6. Batman: Under the Red Hood: I just want to curl up and cry when I watch this. I love the story, I love the failed Batman, I love the relationship between Jason and Bruce. Another movie that should be reinterpreted in live-action.
      7. Superman/Batman: Apocalypse: this is one of the movies I love but I shouldn't. Everyone else hated it! I just love the Trinity sans the Justice League, and I don't care what everyone else says, I liked the character designs! :P
      8. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies: fun, I hate the character designs though. They just look like balloons. The plot is okay, I just feel like the film needs something more.
      9. Green Lantern: First Flight: this is where my reviews start to go down... I prefer this to the live-action Green Lantern. It's a good installment, but I sometimes felt like I was watching an episode of Buzz Lightyear: Star Command...
      10. Wonder Woman: it's good, I enjoyed it, but it just doesn't have that "WOW factor" that the others do. It works, the animation is nice, you'll enjoy it, but you won't have that feeling of "I want to watch it again". I've only revisited it twice.
      11. Superman: Doomsday: yeah, I'm not a Superman fan. In saying that, it's a good movie, I just don't have an interest in it, and the pacing feels off to me. You might like it.
      12. Batman: Gotham Knight: I see what they were going for here, and I appreciate it, but this kind of storytelling just doesn't interest me. It's made as though it could fit in the Nolanverse, but still, I prefer a more narrative structure.
      13. Green Lantern: Emerald Knights: is a movie you want to end about halfway through. This would have worked much better if it was just a series of shorts like Batman: Gotham Knight, it didn't have to be tied together with Hal and that female Lantern.
      14. All-Star Superman: this movie is actually a mess. It seems like someone's taken a 20 episode television series, and picked their favorite scenes, and thrown them together for this nonsense. I liked the last four or five lines. That's it.

      So even though some got bad reviews, try and watch all of them. You might like the ones I don't, heck, you might love them! Also, I'd expect that Superman VS The Elite will drop a few places, it might only be up there because it's new, and I haven't seen it to death yet.

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    • Regulus22
      Regulus22

      The Flashpoint movie i am looking forward to quite a bit, though i'm not sure if it will be a Justice League title. Havent seen New Frontier or Doomsday (doomsday because i also am not really a superman fan and New Frontier because the cover art-style always scares me away). All are very much worth seeing and it does very much depend on personal tastes with these; for me although i agree that Green Lantern Emerald Knights could have worked differently i found each segment amazing and since im a big fan of Arisia i dont mind the in between scenes, i found more issue with their Krona. While with Gotham Knights i couldnt hold out with it. Superman VS the Elite, i loved Superman gone bad at the end and liked the design for Lois, but the rest of it i disliked to an extent. Similarly i loved Wonder Woman, what's your take on the DC Showcases?

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    • Thailog
      Thailog

      Personally, I think that Superman/Batman: Apocalypse was just too rushed and a bit cliched. The whole deal with Kara feeling "betrayed" by Superman and then turn against him in a blink of an eye was overkill. "You don't want me so I'm staying with his menacing and ugly god who kidnapped me! *At least he wants me..." Argh. There are some good moments though.

      I actually liked Green Lantern: Emerald Knights. As for the rest, I pretty much agree with Rass.

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    • Tupka217
      Tupka217

      Barging in since it seems to be fashion:

      1. Batman: Under the Red Hood: The definitive Jason Todd story, better than the comic book. Also, a feast because they made him way too sympathetic in the reboot. Jason is, and always was, an asshole, not a gritty antihero. Jim Piddock also makes one of the better Alfreds I've ever heard.
      2. Justice League: The New Frontier: I'm a big, big Darwyn Cooke fan, and I loved this. Okay, it doesn't have quite as many speaking parts as the miniseries, but that never works on film. David Boreanaz was a bit wooden, Jeremy Sisto did Golden Age Batman perfect, and why did no-one come up with casting Lucy Lawless before?
      3. Batman: Year One: good story, but I don't like the Millerian monologue in voice over. It only works with a good voice. Fingers crossed for Dark Knight Returns. I really loved Eliza Dushku, though.
      4. Green Lantern: First Flight: still don't like how they eviled up Boodikka (and made her a gentle girl - she's a violent maniac! she took down Lobo! (if you know what I mean)) Nonetheless, some of the best voices of the lot. It was the first time Sinestro was done justice (he was one of the worse DCAU characters), and it's very tricky to get Kilowog's voice right.
      5. Superman vs The Elite: like Rass, not a big Superman fan, but for some reason, the stories where he is confronted with his morals tend to be the better ones.
      6. Green Lantern: Emerald Knights: I liked the framework. A pity they couldn't bet R. Lee Ermey to do ErmeyDeegan.
      7. Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths: good story, if somewhat dime a dozen, standard mirror universe stuff. Good voices, except for Batman.
      8. Superman/Batman: Apocalypse: my initial response was "Darkseid does not sound threatening enough". But rewatching it, I learned to accept it in its own merit. New Gods are always amazing.
      9. Justice League: Doom: it has the Royal Flush Gang (and I'm crazy about the RFG), but for the rest, not impressive.
      10. Superman: Doomsday: Not bad, but I did not like the character design. Good voice work.
      11. Wonder Woman: I did not like the dialogue and voices. They all seemed so unnatural. The solution to the zombie dilemma was too contrived. Music was good though.
      12. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies: indeed, balloony characters. Also, the problem with these adaptations straight from the comics is the difficulty of character origins. Power Girl is pretty much unexplained, and yet there's an entire movie about Supergirl. Also, Conroy and Daly seemed to have an off-day. And Captain Atom and Major Force are completely done wrong.
      13. All-Star Superman: The comic was a miniseries, of which I am not a fan (though Leo Quintum is amazing). I remember after this came out, I discussed it with a coworker, and we both agreed it was horrible to watch, way too many short episodes. At least they didn't adapt the Bizarro issue. Not McDuffie's finest hour.
      14. Batman: Gotham Knight: Wasn't interesting. Only seen it a couple of times.
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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      I've only seen the Green Arrow and Catwoman ones, haven't found where to see the others yet.

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    • Thailog
      Thailog

      Oh, the Captain Marvel one is great. JLU reunion!

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    • Tupka217
      Tupka217

      You could get the compilation DVD. Although i think you need a Region 1 player for that.

      • Spectre was so-so. I don't care much for the character.
      • Green Arrow was fun, though I didn't like Grey Delisle's Black Canary.
      • Jonah Hex is pretty good - the fact that the live action movie was bad probably makes it better.
      • Return of Black Adam was nice. It took a couple of times before I got used to James Garner, though.
      • Catwoman was awful. Hardly any story, too much strippers and chases.

      And if you liked New Frontier, I would definitely recommend getting the comic.

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      If I was to buy any comic series. It would definitely be The New Frontier. The more I think about the movie the more I like it. I might actually look into it.

      Something I've completely forgotten about The Elite is Lois Lane! I loved loved loved Pauley Perrette as Lois, and should we see Lois in YJ, I want Pauley to voice her.

      And it's interesting that Tupka says that Sinestro was done right, because that animated movie was my first exposure to the character, and then when I was watching JLU, I was always wondering why he never had an origin, and why the hell he was wearing his Green Lantern uniform while using the yellow ring. But anyway.

      Apocalypse was definitely rushed an cliche, but I still love it anyway. I think because it was the first time I'd seen Darkseid, and that excited me, and it still does. Even when watching JLU, I still prefer Darkseid and the rest of Apokolips in the animated movie.

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    • Tupka217
      Tupka217

      DCAU Sinestro's origin was largely ignored, and then completely botched in a really bad Static Shock episode.

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      That's one thing I resent about the JL/JLU series. There were so many new villains, almost none of which were given origins. Sure, you don't need to introduce every one of them, but still. I think villain origins are so interesting if they're done correctly.

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    • Thailog
      Thailog

      Many were done in Superman: TAS. Metallo, Parasite, Livewire, Volcana, Toyman... I preferred Darkseid in Superman than in JL/JLU.

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    • Regulus22
      Regulus22

      Power Girl really did make no sense, especially since Public Enemies came out before Apocalypse.

      • Spectre i liked seeing how his powers would play out in animation and was impressed to be honest.
      • Black Adam i didnt think superman's addition was really necessary, and Black Adam's lightning shooting powers were slightly odd but Shazam i thought was very cool
      • Catwoman, eh honestly preferred the halle berry version but as a catwoman fan since Cat and the Claw, i didnt dislike
      • Green Arrow, loved Merlyn and the fact that Green Arrow actually got injured and actually hamperred by it, really showed the Human factor that he's all about
      • Hex, simply great. Having a female villain really helped set him apart from the regular portrayal of heroes and i think i payed off.

      Villain origins are underrated far too often, though since most sympathetic villain origins moreso came following B:TAS, whose characters they werent actually allowed to use it didnt help them much..

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      I really liked the Green Arrow short, though I didn't like Black Canary's design. As for the Catwoman short, I sort of liked how ridiculous it was, it was really stupid. Like at the end how she swings away like Spider-Man, excellent stuff there! :P

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    • Thailog
      Thailog

      Regulus22, you must be the only person in the world that actually liked Halle Berry's version. That movie is just as bad as Batman & Robin (so bad I'm not even going to italicize it).

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    • Regulus22
      Regulus22

      With DC Catwoman in mind i hated it, but as a full standalone movie i didnt mind it that much.but yeah i know im in a very small minority that didnt absolutely hate it :S

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      I've not seen it out of fear. I know everyone hates Batman and Robin, I do too, but I still love it, because it's just too ridiculous. It's great. :)

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    • Starling starwing
      Starling starwing

      I saw it at a point of my life where I honestly did not care. I haven't seen all the movies you've listed but of the ones I've seen, they'd rank:

      • Batman: Under the Red Hood
      • Batman: Year one
      • Justice League: Crisis on two earths
      • Justice League: Doom
      • Green Lantern: First flight
      • Wonder Woman
      • Batman: Gotham knight
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    • Regulus22
      Regulus22

      Right, well seen New Frontier now. Didnt really like the emphasis on Hal but i guess it's just because in the span of about 1 & a half years that makes about 5 different origin tellings for him alone.

      Beyond that though i thought it was another one of DC's greats, the more minor appearances i loved, Captain Cold worked impressively, King Faraday was great, Ray Palmer i noticed in the easter eggs and i didnt really get their explanation for his contribution (Light?, come now it's White Dwarf Star). the usage of him as the key was great since im on a big Atom high atm. Aquaman's appearance was random though..biggest shock though, Rick Flag Jr at the end though was surprisingly touching.

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    • Tupka217
      Tupka217

      Another easter egg: those two doubting scientists in the same scene are Prof Haley (of the Challengers of the Unknown) and Doc Magnus (of the Metal Men).

      The movie's full of easter eggs that you can only tell by reading the comic. You know that scene with Captain Cold, the view pans past a couple with black hair? Bruce and Selina. The driver of the ugly orange experimental aircraft? Thomas Kalmaku. The beret woman that works for Faraday? Mademoiselle Marie. The gray haired guy in the interrogation scene? Jim Gordon. Nathaniel Adam and Larry Trainor show up in the final battle. There are loads, loads more

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    • Regulus22
      Regulus22

      thought one of them would be a challenger though i missed the Metal Men till the final scenes there, surprised on the bruce and selina bit though considerring neither sprang into action, Gordon and Trainor i noticed (Trainor WAS in bold letters taking up most the screen afterall). It's amazing how subtle DC movies can be with their content for more eagle eyed fans.

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    • Tupka217
      Tupka217

      The comic has much, much more. More Challengers of the Unknown, more Adam Strange, more Nathaniel Adam, but less Batman and Green Arrow.

      Bruce and Selina weren't originally at the concert, but at the boxing match nearby - between Ted Grant and Cassius Clay (renamed Cooke for the movie). There was a whole VIP box scene in the comic, with Bruce, Selina, Ted, Lois, Clark (IIRC), Ollie and Carol, who's brought Rick Flagg as a date. They added the character models of Bruce and Selina to the movie for the heck of it. They didn't move because they didn't want to animate them.

      For your entertainment: a series of images from the comics and some more.

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    • Rassilon of Old
      Rassilon of Old

      Ugh, I love that art. An animated series with that art would be so awesome.

      I've found the comic on Amazon, and I've written it down for a birthday prezzie from my friends. :P

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    • Tupka217
      Tupka217

      You're in for a long wait... December? I'd just go for these two if I were you, no need for the absolute edition.

      After this conversation, I decided to reread it again, and I discovered there were things in it I never noticed before. It's that heavy.

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