Thanks Zerg, encouraging as always haha. Although with other interests, schoolwork and the fact the series is done for awhile I really don't know how often I'll be editing.
Thank you. Finally I can edit again although the series is over. Also it's kinda hard to avoid being banned when I was unjustly banned for a month in the first place. Nonetheless I will try to be more wary of any chances of this happening again whether I deserve it or whether an admin makes an assumption and decides to ban me.
Word of advice though, to avoid that sort of thing, make sure your edits (particularly the ones that you make when you're closing in on badges), are infallible.
Or, that you have a comprehensive argument ready to present in favor of the edit (which doesn't go against Policy, of course, otherwise it'd be shot down despite any comments you may make).
I was waiting to see if Tupka was going to write something, but doesn't seem like it so here it is: (though this really is stating out the obvious)
Being blocked does not mean "you just cannot edit with your blocked account". It means "you cannot edit in any way, shape or form". And you were told at least twice that doing so is ban evasion.
This is funny because I actually haven't made any edits at all recently. I tried to respond earlier, but as I keep tellign you I cannot edit my own message wall under my blocked account. Also the IPs you blocked were public computers that I sometimes use. Since you also blocked those I couldn't respond in time. I'm now using a friend's computer just to communicate now. Can we please discuss my block though. I still feel it is an injustice. Also which discussion warnings are you referring to exactly?
Also although I am blocked from EDITING, can I still participate in episode discussions and such? Also where can I find the page of blocked users. I found it before, but forgot how to reach it and cannot search for it. I only ask to keep record of my blocks.
Wow I like how you ignored all the other questions I asked...anyway this is Banan again btw. Tupka since you're the admin blocking me can we pleaase discuss this?
Also Thailog I realize that's why they were blocked. I'm just saying the fact that Tupka blocked them because he thoguth I was editing again only makes it harder to communicate with you guys. Some other random person edited on the site using that computer. Anyway I just want to discuss my block.
Actually, he's making me consider adding all the days he's edited with other IPs to his current block. BLOCK MEANS BLOCK! How hard is that to understand?
And Thailog like I've been stressing I.did. not. edit. under. those. IPS. recently. How hard is that to understand? Please read my full replies before becoming all heated. Also Tupka I have arguments to discuss with you about the block. Can you and me only go voer the details?
It's hard to understand because we've heard it only 100+ times. That's how hard it is. And I wouldn't get "heated" if you read my posts, where I've said that being blocked means your cannot edit in any way, shape or form, which includes discussions.
Sigh...Ok I ge tthe heard excuse several times, but one way I can prove I'm not lying is the easy acess I've had with IPs. I don't always use the same computer besides my laptop, which I am usign now. For some reason this IP still works. Only my Banan14kab account is blocked. The other IPs associated with my accout were used by other people recently. And all the other times I've been blocked I've never appealed for it. I actually waited it out. Where have I edited under a discussion recently? I simply ASKED if I could. so I DID read your post. Anyway I'm not interested in arguing with you. I jsut want to talk with Tupka.
130.58.203.123 wrote:
I simply ASKED if I could. so I DID read your post. Anyway I'm not interested in arguing with you. I jsut want to talk with Tupka.
Yes, and then you said:
And why can't I participate in discussions...-___-
That i just dumb. I'm not editing and I'm just talking with other users....makes absolutely zero sense
Ok. You're right. I was just voicing my opinion about a hypothetical question. Happy? O btw I actually said that BEFORE I said I just wanted to talk with Tupka...so your order is actually incorrect...
Yes Thailog. Your latest reply is correct is correct, but I was refering to the order of your quotes. Because you quoted when I ended my reply with asking to speak to Tupka first and then you quoted me saying it was dumb, beginning it with "Yes, and then you said: ", but now I realize you didn't mean "then" as in sequential events, but you were just bringing it up. You should watch your syntax so users don't get confused. So for a period yes we were on different wavelengths because I read your sentence differently than you meant to convey to me.
Not all that surprised that you're banned, seen some of your edit wars, and seen you argue a lot with the Administrators, which is really unacceptable. Instead of wasting your time trying to argue with an Admin who is also justified in the actions he's taken. Wait out your ban, learn from your mistake and try to make amends with them. You're obviously going to get banned when you constantly argue with admins about their decisions, well they aren't Administrators for no reason. They know what they're doing, and they've warned you several times, but you don't listen at all. So instead of pointing fingers at them, you brought this all upon yourself, blame yourself.
OK Flash no offense, but no one asked you. Just because they are admins does not mean they are right about everything they say. I was blocked for an unjust reason and an assumption at that. If you wanna take stuff lying down and receive whatever the admins do to you fine, but I will defend myself and call them out when they are wrong. I did not badge edit, but Tupka mainly suspected I did and blocked me. I'm not going to blame myself in this situation. Mind your own business and stay out of it. Also Tupka I want to discuss my block yet you keep blocking IPs I use, even though I'm notediting. You're just goign to autoblock IPs because I use them as opposed to if I actually am ban evading? How is that fair? CAn we please just discuss my block. And for everyone else I don't want to hear yuor opinions. This si between Tupka and me. You all can gang up on someone else.
Also Flash please do not talk as if you know the whole situation. Because you do not. I do listen to the admins and make constructive edits. Like I said I was blocked on simple "O he must've badge edited" charges. Do you think that is me "bringing it upon myself"? Honestly you are making me angry so please liek I said stay out of it.
Banan, this is the last thing I'm going to say to you about your situation. After that, you're on your own, bro.
When you are told to stand down and wait out your ban, you stand down. You don't go and attack admins, you don't start arguments with other people. You don't use public computers to post anonymously on discussion threads. You just wait out your ban. The only thing you could have done was to appeal your block to Tupka, but in a polite way. It seems that avenue is close to you now, however.
Your initial block was for badge editing, which may or may not be justified -- no comment on that. But now it's getting progressively easier to pile on other infractions, such as ban evasion and disruption.
Let me relate your situation to the latest episode. Miss Martian screwed up in a big way, so did Nightwing. They both recognize their mistakes, and admit it outright. And thus, there was forgiveness. Arsenal on the other hand, may or may not have screwed up -- the jury is still out on that -- but the fact is he remained unrepentant, and insisted that he did the right thing. So Nightwing kicked him off the Team.
Just stay out of it! Alright! You've only been here for like a month. I don't need some random stranger lecturing me. Get off your high horse. I don't need to take orders from you. And no it wasn't my fault. I DIDN'T EDIT FOR THE SAKE OF A BADGE! So STAY OUT OF IT! You can also see my badges and ontributions of all the positive things I've brought to the wiki and articles I have created/improved. And that's proof that I can be a good editor and contributor. I've done a hell of a lot more than you have so get over yourself. Don't lecture man, just don't. If you get blocked for a mre suspicision I bet you wouldn't think you deserved it. IF you were in my shoes you think Tupka would still be justified. Man you are something. Just leave me alone.
You're only looking at things from one side and story. You don't know all the specifics. I bet you would've never though of my contributions history otherwise you'd know. And that's proof enough too. not get off my message wall.
Yes Zergrinch that is exactly' my situation. But in all honesty I don't need users like Flash lecturing me. I already appealed to Tupka poiltely and he hasn't said much. So now I guess I have no choice, but to wait out my ban (when the series ends e.e) and then contribute. Flash instigated my response and everything he said jsut set me off.
Insults and proving that you're incapable of communal editing do not improve your case Banan.
Your attempts to negotiate, fail because you aren't actually making a case to be responded to. You simply ask to. I learnt quite quickly here that you shouldn't do something unless you're prepared to provide sufficient evidence that you are correct. You aren't doing that, you're simply making the opening to the case. That, is irrelevant, bring on the body of the argument and you may stand a chance, but continue to whine about it being unfair or that it's wrong, you wont.
How did I insult him? All I called him was a knot-it-all. And I even replie din a civil manner at first. Anyway Thailog should just delet this thread. I keep writign on Tupka's wall, but all he's been doing is blocking any IP I use and making it more difficult to negotiate my ban. bUt like you said I guess I should just present my whole argument to him. Hopefully that will work. I can't believe how stressed I'm getting over a website on the internet, but it really doesn't help when everyone and their grandma comes in and lectures you like they know the situation. Like FlashB03 said in his dleteion summary it's pointless. Everyone thinks they're right. Also I'm basically defeding myself here.
You mean on my profile? Not my message wall correct? Also since it's causing too much trouble I don't think I will protest it anymore. Guess I've have to wait untl the 18th. Also off topic, but has it been confirmed that Young Justice is ending next month? Or is it simply a rumor or strong hint?
As for the status on Young Justice, episode 20 will air on March, and Cartoon Network has not announced ordering a new season. Draw your own conclusions (and let's not discuss that further in here).
You added the images template to subjects that have been mentioned only, and you've added the expansion category to two future episodes - there's no image for those, or expansion. You even circumvened the protection on "Intervention" and "The Hunt" by only adding the category and not the template.
And now, you've got a badge for adding x pages to a category. So you vandalized the wiki to earn a badge. Badge editing leads to blocks on this wiki, so congrats, you're blocked.
I really want to know how I'm such a "vandal" and "repeat offender". You know I do my best to contribute to the wiki. I won't get the 60 day badge now because of this block, but do you think I'm crying over it? No. I simply did what I thought was necessary or alright. Liek when I made the Size alteration article becuase there wasn't an article for it. Do you really think I'm some little kid that wanted a prize on the interet and attempted to vandalize the wiki to do so? When I talked ot Regulus and Zengrinch about it they reasonably explained without blocking me. I mean seriously?! You interpret the story how you want to and block me based on an assumption and make it look like I terrorized the site on purpose. Also if the pages are protected wouldn't that mean no one shoudl eb able to edit on it? Inclufign adding categories? NExt time don't bother with the sarcasm. Just say I'm blocked. And if badge editing leads to blocking then everyone shoudl eb blocked. I bet there are users out there who edit for badges and don't get caught. I commented on 10 different blogs. You wanna block me for that too?! Honestly I could understand my blocks before even if I was mad, but this time it really is unfair and bullshit. My previosu blocks were more deserving than this and I mean that.
Psch..like you really' know that I edited to earn the 50 categories badge. What nonsense. You don't even know me and you're goign to judge my actions over the internet like that. I bet you were just looking for an excuse to bust me. "Repeat offender"... yea ok...
Deep breath. Relax, this is just another site on the Internet. We're all fans here, it's not serious business. Don't take it personally.
In the real world, you are not judged by your intentions. Everyone judges you by your actions, and imputes intentions based on their own subjective biases. Is that fair? Of course not, but who said life was fair?
If you wish to continue participating on this wiki, wait out your ban. Calling out the admins is a poor choice if you want to stay.
I do want to stay...I really do, but things like this make it difficult. Then they'll say "if you don't liek it then leave." which I would do if there was another or better YJ wiki out there but there isn't. Anyway I calmed down somewhat, still pissed I won't be able to edit until the season is just about over. I actually look forward to editing on the wiki. I can't even be first since I am on my school's campus with limited cable. Anyway thanks again Zerg. I think this is like my third ban you've advised me through.
Banan14kab, I've been exercising an uncharacteristic amount of patience with you but it's starting to run thin. I've had enough with your stubbornness and refusal to heed everyone's warnings. For someone who has been around for over a year, you know surprisingly little about how things are done here. If a senior editor undoes an edit of yours with an explanation, then don't engage in an edit war, engage in a conversation. If you remove a post of yours and an admin restores it, then don't delete it back. If an admin deletes a message of yours with an explanation, then don't restore it.
Also, exercising a little common sense from now one wouldn't hurt. Do you really think that no one else thought about asking Gweisman questions before? Do you think us that dumb and you that groundbreaking? We don't ask him questions that we otherwise would in AG. He sometimes browses the talk pages and offers some clarification, but we don't ask him for it.
I try to be respectful and and I do read other user's warnings. I don't just brashly go in without thinking it over. Also I've written messages on your and Tupka's walls many times along with other users like Regulus so you can't say I've never engaged in conversation. I don't always just revert the edit. Also about my post on the talk page for the profile image change. I thought it was embarrassing posting my topic and no one responded so I wanted to just delete it, but you had to restore it. I didn't know nothing was to be removed from talk pages. Sorry, but I really didn't. I was just getting rid of it because it was embarrassing and the Luthor image was already resolved. Next, I simply asked Greg a question. I forgot that he said he wouldn't answer YJ questions on here. Those messages were hidden and I didn't reread them when I posted my question. Did I say I was such a genius for asking him a question? No...I even said on Asasmi's talk page that other users asked him questions and I just realized that you removed mine. I restored it, but deleted it after I read the messages on Greg's wall again to check. I know you think I'm whiny and self-victimizing, but you also kind of push the envelope...I never thought I was hot stuff and better than anyone else especially for doing something so trivial as asking Greg a question. I don't want trouble either and arguing over the internet is pointless, a waste of time and energy and makes both of us look bad. Also I know how Greg operates on here. He even replied to my topic on the Zeta Beam talk page. I'm not as ignorant as you think I am. I'm more mindful of my edits, so please don't start anything. I know you're being as straightforward as possible so I'm not going to generate anymore static between us. Let's just edit the wiki the best we can.
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Next, I simply asked Greg a question. I forgot that he said he wouldn't answer YJ questions on here. Those messages were hidden and I didn't reread them when I posted my question.
Well that's just it. Regulus and I told you not to ask questions on Greg, and still you ignored us and assumed you were entitled to do so. Not only that but you also completely contravened me, saying "Greg didn't need an admin to speak for him". Maybe I did what I did for a reason? A reason you later came to realize on your own and accept.
I push the envelope? I've blocked people for less infractions than those you've made. If anything I've been a pinnacle of patience, and yet I'm being accused of provoking you? That's fine. This will be the last time I give you any kind of warning.
Thailog wrote:
Well that's just it. Regulus and I told you not to ask questions on Greg, and still you ignored us and assumed you were entitled to do so.
Well I thought that only he had the right to remove it as it was his message wall. So yea I was a little angry with you. I didn't realize until afterward it was for a good reason like you said. I mean it's not like I can tell you who to talk to on here. But anyway I understand.
Thailog wrote:
I push the envelope? I've blocked people for less infractions than those you've made. If anything I've been a pinnacle of patience, and yet I'm being accused of provoking you? That's fine. This will be the last time I give you any kind of warning.
I do appreciate that as I've had more than my fair share of blocks on here. And I just feel provoked because of some of your erroneous comments such as the circumstances of me asking Greg a question. You made it seem like I was egotistical and self-centered when I am clearly not. Also I'm really trying to make peace here. I don't know how you've acknowledged the points I've made, but please understand I'm trying to make amends. We're acting like a pair: you're an officer and I'm a criminal. Can we just get along and be productive? Do you accept my olive branch or not?
It was not egotistical and self-centered, so much as stubborn, as pointed out in the topic. If an admin removes or deletes something, it's more than likely it's for a good reason. If you hadn't removed your post in the end, I can almost guarantee you'd be blocked by now.
No one will tell you that you can't communicate with anyone, not even with Gweisman, but since he has made it clear that he will not answer questions here, then they will be deleted. Why? We don't want him to feel harassed and scared away. Even the harmless "You are great" posts must be patrolled closely, lest they become a trend and equally bothersome.
All I'm asking is for you to assume good faith when your edits are undone or deleted, don't take it personally and especially don't engage in a pissing contest. If you can do that, we'll get along famously.
We don't need Disambiguation pages for every character with the same name when they are already linked in their hat notes. Ivo links to Ivo android and vice-versa. Same thing for the Robins.
That was discussed before. Morrow has a disambig page because both articles have sidenotes. The android needed a sidenote for obvious reasons and the human too because despite being the real deal, his role is minimal compared to that of his android replica. Without it, people searching for "T.O. Morrow" would be directed to the minor character, whereas with the disambig, they can choose. As for Ivo, it's the other way around. The human is the main character, while the android has the minimal role. So when they search for "Professor Ivo" they immediately go to the main character, who has a hat note to the android. And it's also convenient for linking purposes so that we don't need to use pipe links for Ivo every time we need to link it.
do I seriously have to type in the exact name of an episode if I want to look it up quickly? Besides some people may still think the episode is titled "Fix" or simply "Runaways" since many sources listed them as such.
Banan14kab wrote:
do I seriously have to type in the exact name of an episode if I want to look it up quickly?
Yeah, you do. Are you that lazy? Besides, every single episode has navigation templates, and every upcoming episode is on the main page.
Banan14kab wrote:
Besides some people may still think the episode is titled "Fix" or simply "Runaways" since many sources listed them as such.
When you search for "Fix" you get "The Fix" on the top of the search results. Should we also have redirects like "Usual", "Auld", "Welcome", "Before", "Happy" and so on?
Banan14kab wrote:
do I seriously have to type in the exact name of an episode if I want to look it up quickly?
Yeah, you do. Are you that lazy? Besides, every single episode has navigation templates, and every upcoming episode is on the main page.
Banan14kab wrote:
Besides some people may still think the episode is titled "Fix" or simply "Runaways" since many sources listed them as such.
When you search for "Fix" you get "The Fix" on the top of the search results. Should we also have redirects like "Usual", "Auld", "Welcome", "Before", "Happy" and so on?
No. Your sarcastic comparisons don't make sense. Why would you need redirects for just the first word of the episode (not that I care). I'm just saying it makes more sense for episodes like "The Fix" and "The Runaways" because people may still call them with out the "The" and it makes it easier to search. Also what are navigation templates?
Banan14kab wrote:
No. Your sarcastic comparisons don't make sense. Why would you need redirects for just the first word of the episode (not that I care). I'm just saying it makes more sense for episodes like "The Fix" and "The Runaways" because people may still call them with out the "The" and it makes it easier to search. Also what are navigation templates?
Like I said and you seem to be ignoring, when you search for "Fix" you get the result. If it's too much of a hassle to click on it, then write the whole thing.
Banan14kab wrote:
Also again no one deleted the other redirects I made...
Your point being? Just because you got it right once it doesn't mean we have to accept every redirect you come up with from now on. And unlike "Fix", "B'arzz O'oomm" is a valid name and we do have redirects for real names.
And navigation templates are those boxes on top of every episode article that contain links to every other episode on the wiki. On the bottom there's another. And on the episode infobox too.
Banan14kab wrote:
Also again no one deleted the other redirects I made...
Your point being? Just because you got it right once it doesn't mean we have to accept every redirect you come up with from now on.
Ok I'm all for understanding the errors of my ways, but I hate when people take condescending tones like that. I'm respectful when you are. I just wanted to bring up my other redirect as an example that's all.
There was nothing condescending in that. And examples need to be relevant to be applicable. If you had made a redirect for "Hunt" and we hadn't deleted it, then that would be a good example to bring up.
Ok, we do not need redirects for every single character, especially when they are CIT and especially when they are seldom used and less known than their super heroes aliases. No one is coming here looking for "Dinah Lance".
Sorry, but it was. The gang fight was referred to gangbangers as "the Big Bang" before it was going to come down.
The fault is partly my own. I used the term gas explosion, but that never happened (in the comics). The gas came from tear gas grenades the police used, not from storage containers on site.
Wait really? Was this in the comics? I guess you're right though because the whole event (the gang fight and explosion) were referred to as the Big Bang in Static Shock. You should check the descriotion of the Big Bang in its article on the DCAU wiki since you're an admin there. Also a more general question: I know in the comics the police aimed to tag gang members with radioactive gas, but where exactly did the Quantum Vapor (Q-Juice) come from? I am referrring to the comics only since I've seen Static Shock.
"You should check the descriotion of the Big Bang in its article on the DCAU wiki since you're an admin there."
Uhmm... I WROTE that article about the Big Bang. In Static Shock, the Big Bang refers to the explosion, which was a result of a stray tear gas grenade hitting canisters of gas stored at the docks.
In the comics, it was a bit less friendly. An attempt by the mayor, Alva Industries and the police to get rid of the gang problem, they decided to use tear gas laced with a radioactive marker. That way, everyone who was there could be tracked down with a geiger counter the next day.
The marker was De-Quantified Plasma, or Quantum Juice. It was actually created not by Alva, but by villain Doctor Nemo, who wanted to create more supervillains.
Ok I did not know the info in the last paragraph. Interesting. Also I read the Quantum Vapor article on the DCAU wiki and what you re-iterated makes sense. Also I didn't mean any offense by my suggestion that you should check the article...I was just pointing it out to check for consistency with what you said...