"Arrow" discussion

Ashcat19·10/13/2012 in DC Universe Discussion

Well Arrow is out, the next most anticipated DC show I've had. From the Pilot, it looks great. Might get a good Green Arrow show unlike the Smallville version. Really showing the darker elements which made his character great, plus it's a hour series, one of the big things which people want Greg to do with YJ, this may help to encourage that.

Wonder if this will have impact on our little Arrow family and how they develop further, particularly with the nascent Arrowette. If it picks up, they might not want to give a greater then already required (what with Artemis, Red Arrow and Arsenal having pretty massive roles in this universe) to Green Arrow.

Only real huh thing is Starling city, though I don't mind it.

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Zodisgod·7/30/2013

who is to say superpowers dont exist? we just havent seen any yet, nowhere has it been definitively said that superpowers dont exist, hell this could be the first time a superpowered individual appears in this reality. while its true the show took some stylistic cues from the dark knight i felt like as time went on it started to become a little more distinct, a little more like a universe where this stuff could happen.

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LoveWaffle·7/30/2013

Zodisgod wrote: who is to say superpowers dont exist? we just havent seen any yet, nowhere has it been definitively said that superpowers dont exist, hell this could be the first time a superpowered individual appears in this reality. while its true the show took some stylistic cues from the dark knight i felt like as time went on it started to become a little more distinct, a little more like a universe where this stuff could happen.

Because the show's rules and tone are one where there are no superpowers, and it's not unreasonable to want a show to stick with its own rules and its own tone. This "anything can happen" thinking is bad thinking. The show's gone out of its way to radically re-imagine characters so they could fit in this show's universe. Throwing in one superpowered character with a ridiculous look makes the show not only less distinct (compared to, say, Smallville or any of the number of shows to use the Justice League), but deprives it of an artistic identity.

Superpowered characters showing up on Arrow is no more reasonable than Ron Swanson becoming a wizard.

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Zodisgod·7/30/2013

i see there is no point using logic since you've already decided its a bad idea.

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Thailog·7/30/2013

Arrow doesn't strike me as the type of show whose producers have everything mapped out. If CW has a chance to fill their pockets with another superhero show, then I'm sure they won't mind bending those unwritten rules you speak of to accommodate superpowered character(s).

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LoveWaffle·7/30/2013

Zodisgod wrote: i see there is no point using logic since you've already decided its a bad idea.

You must not know what logic is. Saying anything can happen because they haven't shown it is illogical. A show breaking it's own rules is illogical (and typically a jump-the-shark moment). A show staying consistent with its own tone and the rules it put in place is what we would call a "logical continuation".

And a superpowered character like the Flash, who contradicts the show's tone and rules, has no more place on Arrow than ~~Dee Bradley Baker~~ Diedrich Bader's Batman from B:TBatB had on Young Justice.

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Bantha117·7/31/2013

LoveWaffle wrote:

Zodisgod wrote: i see there is no point using logic since you've already decided its a bad idea.

And a superpowered character like the Flash, who contradicts the show's tone and rules, has no more place on Arrow than Dee Bradley Baker's Batman from B:TBatB had on Young Justice.

Changing the subject here, but wasn't that Diedrich Bader?

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LoveWaffle·7/31/2013

Bantha117 wrote:

LoveWaffle wrote:

Zodisgod wrote: i see there is no point using logic since you've already decided its a bad idea.

And a superpowered character like the Flash, who contradicts the show's tone and rules, has no more place on Arrow than Dee Bradley Baker's Batman from B:TBatB had on Young Justice.

Changing the subject here, but wasn't that Diedrich Bader?

You're right. My mistake. Don't know why I always get those two mixed up...

But the point remains the same. If superpowers could exist in Arrow despite their being no evidence of that, campy, alternate universe Batmen could help out in the fight against Darkseid and Apokolips in the potential third season of Young Justice we may never get to see.

ETA because I missed this when it was posted:

Thailog wrote: Arrow doesn't strike me as the type of show whose producers have everything mapped out. If CW has a chance to fill their pockets with another superhero show, then I'm sure they won't mind bending those unwritten rules you speak of to accommodate superpowered character(s).

To the contrary, the people behind the show have a five season arc planned out. Throwing in elements like superpowers that break from the show's realism changes that plan, and makes some of the aspects of the first season (namely the re-imaginings of some characters) a bit unnecessary. On the other hand, they could always just go along with that plan anyway and disregard the existence of superheroes, in which case the Flash episode is just that one weird episode.

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Rassilon of Old·7/31/2013

Pros: I'm definitely interested in a Flash series, because he's a character I've never really cared about, and so I'd love to see this.

Cons: Arrow is be no means a quality show, and it's pretty substandard to be honest. I want to see the creators succeed with one DC character before tampering with another. Also, if DC/Warner are trying to put a JLA movie together, I would not want to have two live action versions of the same characters, even if in different mediums.

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RG4215·7/31/2013

Rassilon of Old wrote:
I would not want to have two live action versions of the same characters, even if in different mediums.

Marvel seems to be doing sort of the same thing with Quicksilver in X-Men: Days of Future Past and Quicksilver in Avengers: Age of Ultron, so I think it will be interesting to see which works better.

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Tupka217·7/31/2013

RG4215 wrote:

Rassilon of Old wrote:
I would not want to have two live action versions of the same characters, even if in different mediums.

Marvel seems to be doing sort of the same thing with Quicksilver in X-Men: Days of Future Past and Quicksilver in Avengers: Age of Ultron, so I think it will be interesting to see which works better.

I'm especially curious as DC's attempts to bring a speedster to the screen (granted, 80s and 90s) looked pretty bad. Let's see how this looks.

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What do you think?